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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 4:24 pm
by FluffyKitty.deadm
Instead of a tank you could use platic capsules, like paint balls, that are filled with the substance and break open on contact with the victim. Then you could have different ammo types, foam, pepper spray, etc.

LAPD is experimenting with this concept. They actually use a painball gun that shoots pepper spray, and stink bombs. (Yes stink bombs).

Being able to switch ammo types through clips could add an extra dimension to the weapon.

Also keep in mind as I said before in CS there is no way to shoot yourself with a weapon. The player view has no concept of collision with self. As I mentioned before the case of the flame thrower is the flame thrower ignites an object. It is the burning object that does player damage, not the weapon.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 4:33 pm
by Maks
FluffyKitty.deadm wrote:Instead of a tank you could use platic capsules, like paint balls, that are filled with the substance and break open on contact with the victim. Then you could have different ammo types, foam, pepper spray, etc.

LAPD is experimenting with this concept. They actually use a painball gun that shoots pepper spray, and stink bombs. (Yes stink bombs).

Being able to switch ammo types through clips could add an extra dimension to the weapon.

Also keep in mind as I said before in CS there is no way to shoot yourself with a weapon. The player view has no concept of collision with self. As I mentioned before the case of the flame thrower is the flame thrower ignites an object. It is the burning object that does player damage, not the weapon.

STOP IT WITH THE EXPERIMENTING STUFF!!!
But it is a good idea... And can the tanks stay... I like them :D
Stink bombs would do what exactly :?: and pepper spray would make you see black I think.. COOL 8)

PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 4:54 pm
by FluffyKitty.deadm
STOP IT WITH THE EXPERIMENTING STUFF!!!

Do you prefer the word testing, or how about evaluating?

And can the tanks stay

They can, but CS has issues with items that attach to the backs of players and the hands at the same time. The flame thrower gave me fits trying to get it to look good.

Stink bombs would do what exactly

In CS who knows. I was just throwing that out as a real world application of the concept. In real life they make you throw up and take away your desire to riot.

pepper spray would make you see black I think.

Yeah also maybe jerk you around a bit from the coughing and gagging with some (minor) damage to your air ways.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 5:06 pm
by Maks
FluffyKitty.deadm wrote:Do you prefer the word testing, or how about evaluating?

... :-# :-({|= .. Evaluating looks good.

FluffyKitty.deadm wrote:They can, but CS has issues with items that attach to the backs of players and the hands at the same time. The flame thrower gave me fits trying to get it to look good.

What does "gave me fits trying" mean? And... THEY MUST STAY!! :P :D

FluffyKitty.deadm wrote:In CS who knows. I was just throwing that out as a real world application of the concept. In real life they make you throw up and take away your desire to riot.

Sounds good though.. But not on the Foam/Water Blast Mini Gun.

FluffyKitty.deadm wrote:Yeah also maybe jerk you around a bit from the coughing and gagging with some (minor) damage to your air ways.

Also sounds good. Maybe just really make it like a normal spray bottle and really spray on people.(maybe with pressure for long distance) It's fun too annoy people with CS. (with the guns I mean).

PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 4:16 am
by ShabbyBoy
If it's gonna be a mini gun I prefer the idea of Fluffy's 'paintballs'
If it's gonna be with tank I prefer a gun with a big barrel.

The different kind of ammo is discussed in this topic.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 8:38 am
by Angel of Death
The capsule idea sounds best

PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 10:52 am
by Maks
Is it? Lets investigate :P .

What if you had those capsules.
-How would you store them?
My idea would be some kind of bag on your back. So not a tank or bottle.
-Wich one gun would suit best?
I think the mini gun. With a few modifications you could make it a capsule shooting gun.
-What would it do exactly?
The capsule will pop open when hits an enemy, as Fluffy said, and would make the enemy partsly wet or whatever like that. But it would not make the enemy completely wet or how you would call.
My conclusion: You would have to shoot more capsules to make the enemy completely non-fuctionable. It would be not wise.

AND OMG WHAT IS THIS SMELL HERE!!!! SOMEKIND OF ROTTEN FISH!!! :-# :x
ok. sorry for that.

What if you used the spraying idea.
-How would you store the foam?
In tanks on your back.
-How would you should the foam?
With the mini gun. If you put a barrel on it and some pressure modifier it could shoot like a normal mini gun but then foam.
-What would it do exactly?
You spray the foam on your enemy where ever you want to hit him. SO you can choose what you want to disable.
My conslusion: I think the foam spraying idea is better. You can shoot better and the ammo would be less then the capsules.
Only my thoughts though.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:31 pm
by ShabbyBoy
My internet was down today so I made a little 3D model of the backpack.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:34 pm
by ShabbyBoy
I still say: A foam gun needs a big fat barrel, something looking like the flamethrower...

PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 3:22 pm
by Fa-
just a quicky.....


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:13 am
by FluffyKitty.deadm
This is what the army version of the weapon looks like http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/mrcd.htm

PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:18 am
by Maks
Does that mean it can't be a mini gun?? :cry: And what about the backpacks for it..? Will they be forgotten or not? Cause I see one sticking on the gun...

PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 10:09 am
by FluffyKitty.deadm
The only thing I can find that uses a back pack is the m33 http://www.tpub.com/content/chemical-biological/TM-43-0002-31/css/TM-43-0002-31_22.htm
It shoots flame and tear-gas, but not foam. It was replaced (by the Army) with the hand held foam gun.

It seems:
- The mini gun makes scense if you use paint balls (and have diff ammo types)

- A single barrle makes scense if it just shoots foam. So far none of the foam guns I have found have a back pack.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 10:11 am
by Maks
Can't we make a exception?? :cry:

PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 10:47 am
by ShabbyBoy
Of course you dont use a minigun for foam. Only like Fluffy said if you use little balls. But I really can't imagine someone using a minigun for shooting foam :?